Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. Underwood now has a 230grain all copper extreme hunter load at 1700fps. His wife left Houston shortly after he passed. Look it up. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. Excellent article! Wolves are more of a threat. Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. My resulting theory is that if you see the bear/cougar, draw your gun and do your best to avoid the encounter. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. This account from the Camp Verde Bugle, also says there were two shots. I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. Feature Articles, They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. 11-02-2012, 5:06 PM. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Thanks! My thought That was my initial question as well. I can hit an outboard engine at 100 yards. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. No HPs! As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. Its a gun I have confidence in when Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down. His cousin, the brown bear, is an entirely different story; when a brown bear means business you need to stop the threat and stop it fast, by any means necessary. I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. , .357 mag. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. Oaf, that was funny! Usually blacktail deer. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. just my 2 cents. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? The .454 Casull is my usual choice as it provides a good balance of power with manageability. Carry to fit your states wild life? I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. A bear spray story- closer than 35 feet heading in your direction should be engaged? With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. Certainly a .22 is enough to kill anything if you shoot it in the head point blank. A couple of quick .25s to the knee of your brother in law ought to make that possible. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. I like the S&W 460 as well. I . A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. Very interesting. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. The lion ignored the adults in the group and went right for the children. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. Cork Grahams rig. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. To purchase a sidearm for bear country on GunsAmerica, click here. A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. I was hunting in Alaska well before most of your parents even drew a breath. 255gr. This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. where do you come up with this bullshit. This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. in bear country. based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. Here in Upstate New York we have a very healthy black bear population, and highway sightings are quickly becoming a regular occurrence, as are the classic raids on bird feeders and garbage cans alike. Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. Good stuff. I have had very good luck with both the 45 colt and 454 with 335gr. Theres no such thing as overkill. If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. All good options. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. The bullet entered at the last rib on the right side and ripped through diagonally and lodged in the base of the neck on the left side. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. Self-Defense, Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. Once you get over 300gr. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. Nope, no way. They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Mountain Lion Foundation Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. For more information about Smith & Wesson, click here. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. Its very light and handy to carry. Thanx! Im still alive without a scratch. 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. Now thats an appropriate comment. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. Two young men from SoCal (where else?) What? The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. Just holes. Just aim above the front tire, through the fender taking out the engine block. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. You can also use a hunting rifle or pistol to fire at the lion if it makes a charge at you. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. It has a 1 7/8-inch barrel and a five-shot cylinder in the classic snub-nosed configuration and wears a set of Pachmayr grips, which feel better than the standard J-Frame grips in my hands. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. I started reloading and when the bear got to about 12 yards, I dropped my percussion cap in the leaves. The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Look it up. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. Sure, semi-automatics have their place. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. Why not? Robert Rourke famously said, Use enough gun.. Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. But it is is at an angle to wind between about 1 degree and 360 degrees, your changes are slim to none. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . Agreed. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. I called out local F&G agent. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. I dont know anything about bears .but the comment about butchering hogs was funny to me . He said he was not scared of all the trips he made. Mountain Lions are extremely fast, territorial, and capable of seriously injuring and killing even an adult human. not litter the landscape. Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, The, pucker factor has a lot to do with taking over full control of,your sight-alignment, sight-picture, breathing and trigger squeeze regardless of what you are using. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. My 10mm load is right at 700. You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. . You can keep the Roland! On a personal note I dont like I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. Put three or four gun writers in the same room, and youll usually get four different answers, but I think youre seeing a common thread here. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. You combine the penetration of .45 Long Colt with the facial (and nose) disruption of a .410 shotgun shell. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. If so, what is the problem? Exactly. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. If doing this with very heavy bullets a change in rifleing twist may be more suitable if longer ranges are expected. DRT. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. Full size 9mm is better, a rifle/shotgun with it's longer sight radius is even better (with the .380 as a backup still). Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. For College Campuses! Dogs' and bobcats' toes are shaped like an oval. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. Hunting, You need to be able to kill a bear in a moments notice, most times a bear is just doing what they do , when suddenly a stupid hiker startles the wild animal and It sees you as a threat ! They only work if you have them with you. You show five rounds with your .38, six rounds with your Model 29, but all of your pictures with the Ruger .45 only show FIVE. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. tell me want have you really killed lately. 9mm & 38? Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County). Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. Thank you! Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. Cork Graham (corkgraham.com) , a fellow writer, hunter, and Alaska resident not to mention an actor on the Discovery Channel had a bit of a different perspective. Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. They eventually had to replace them with the Makarov series because of over-penetration. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. hard cast bullets the 44 Mag. But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. In the question of "Is the .22 LR Long Rifle within the ideal range of suitable calibers for cougar or . The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. Watch on. coyotes 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. A 45 Long Colt? Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. They dont respond the same way as healthy animals. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. After I put it down with my .357 magnum, we found both 9mm rounds stuck in the skull. Adult weight: Males range from 116-160 pounds and females, 75-110 pounds The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. Then it rolled over and started walking. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. For small game, a 38 Spcl. FMJ. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. or wherever. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. Required fields are marked *. thanx again. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! It has been updated through June of 2017. Until just a few few years ago, the largest bear ever killed was by a young girl in Alaska. moose. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. 1st Bullet passed completely through the animal head to rump. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. We hadnt thought of that. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. ( nothin) lol. If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Bears cannot see as well as they can hear and smell. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. He agreed the animal was huge. I live in Alaska. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. chasing after and retrieving spent brass. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. Between travel & the country this gun was never more than arms reach away all that time!! Sep 25, 2007. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. Im not a hunter, but a hiker. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. May 23, 2022 / by / in . I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. The yellow color was striking. OMG! you rig will protect you. Dont leave your gun in the car. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. Mountain lion study highlights. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. 3. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. His eyes were as wide as saucers, and he was taking strides twice as long as his normal gait would produce. The 12 ga. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. This I know from personal experience! I decently placed 5.56 will kill anything in north america. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. so dont tell me or others you rough it in the Alaskan wilderness because thats bullshit. Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! I heard that some hikers on Mt. 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